The general method used was to grow a culture of the cells to be tested,
suspend that culture in the culture medium, aliquot small amounts of that
suspended-cells culture medium into 96-well plates, add the test substance
dissolved in a suitable growth medium containing a cell-viability indicator compound at various concentrations into about half of the wells and and add just the growth medium containing the same level of the same cell-viability indicator into the other wells and then monitor the change in cell viabilities over several half-lives for the cells being studied and acquire the data from each well periodically.

Following the data acquisition phase, the data were analyzed to ascertain the effect of the metal used as a function of its concentration.

Under these circumstances, the cause and the effect are easy to “see” and the automated monitoring system easily tracked the changes in cell viability, if any, in
each well.

USA EPA Reference level for organomercury is 100 ng per Kg before harm may certainly occur.

One organomercury vaccine contains 50 000 000 ng per Kg of one of the worlds most powerful catalytic brain destroying chemicals presently known in old studies to be in a latent state from the age of 20 until 7( or so when more than half get Alzheimer Disease.

I make it that any common sense view would say BAN mercury vaccines not just say it but increase the dose.

If its not immediately obvious somone has condoned putting more than half a million times a reference dose of mercury in vaccines and injected them into one day babies.

I personally know and have investigated where the child died or became a vegetable and mum, dad or anyone but the doctor that injected the stuff was put away in prison for life with many still there.

Harry Clark 500 000 times overexposed at 4.30pm and dead by 10.30pm that same day.

And Mrs Clark? Double life in prison with the nurse and doctor who injected calling the police saying they thought it was a MURDER.

They didn’t add – WE DID IT.

“The vaccine business has continued to thrive in spite of its disastrous failure, for the mere reason that it nets millions of dollars for the promoters, and this buys power with governments and propaganda control over the masses who don’t know how to think for themselves”.

Source: http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020132sinclair/vaccinaion.htm

If any comments deserve being deleted, I submit that the comments made by L should be removed. It is nothing but insults and is not appropriate to the discussion we have going.

By the way, I don’t recall seeing any punctuation in any of your sentences. You should realize that the Internet is not outside the jurisdiction of proper English grammar. Not only does it look nice, but it garners respect; it shows that you care about what you’re saying.

I took your comment down because it has logical reasoning flaws…

That is certainly not the reason. If that were true, you’d take this post down. It’s an exercise in correlation vs. causation. Correlating “the mercurial compound used as vaccine preservative called ‘thimerosal’ induces neural damage SIMILAR TO THAT seen in autism patients.” That is not proof of anything, and is an official logical fallacy.

You took my comment down because it had merit and spoke directly against what your claims are. Maybe you should take Logic 101 and 102.

Contrary to what you state, I do take my own advice and after having vaccinated my children and been rah rah for vaccines I opened my mind to thoughts contrary to my convictions and educated it. You have not done this yet.

So you’re assuming that because I don’t agree with you, that I haven’t “opened my mind.” I must say that that is a very narrow-minded thing to say. “You don’t agree with me? You must not be open-minded.” Why is that? Do you have absolute knowledge? Omniscience?

Lately in Argentina Pharma sent Smallpox vaccines with sterilizing capabilities and in cahoots with some doctors applied them to lots of unsuspecting women.

I Googled and didn’t find anything about this one. So I’m not sure where you got that information.

“Poland and deaths and vaccines” and see what is going on.

What this search reveals is that some homeless people signed up for some clinical trials of a vaccine, along with however many others applied. 21 of them unfortunately died. This is no different with any drug. If you sign up to take part in a clinical trial, you have to realize those risks. This is not evidence of any conspiracy. Logical fallacy of the argument from final consequences.

In Africa they have done a tremendous lawsuit because of experimental vaccines. Check what is happening with Guardasil

It’s not really a “tremendous” lawsuit. In fact, what you’re talking about is 28 women having miscarriages following vaccinations with the Guardasil shot. Again, correlation is not causation. More Logic 101 errors.

By the way, that is 28 women out of the 190,000 who were studied under the original trials! What’s that? 0.00014737% rate of people with side effects? Are you kidding me? Is this even worth mentioning?

What an outrage, right? There are more people who suffer side-effects from peanut butter. Yeah, “Big Pharma” is really putting the screws to us.

Of course I cite the sites that prove my point, but not to get a pat on my back, and not even to PROVE my points, but to be able to transmit to you the thoughts contrary to your beliefs. And to others who may be more open to some facts. Then you and they can make up your minds as to if your criticism is fair and what you say holds. This is what debate is about. It is you who ranted without providing an ounce of evidence and said things which are not true, like “Thimerosal is not used”, avoiding the issue in depth which is what I ask in my first comment and here. Can you show us what is in the vaccines except for YOUR WORD implying they are totally safe WHICH WE MUST TAKE ON GOOD FAITH? At least I provide leads.

Well, by virtue of the fact that you deleted my original comment, I can only conclude that this entire paragraph is vacuous and lacks any truth value whatsoever. You’re not interested in debate if you’re more interested in silencing any opinions that differ from your own. I thought reading and deciding was what “debate is all about.” Not reading, deleting what you don’t like, and then letting people decide. You sound a lot like FOX News now.

Again you are misinformed when you state that Pharma has “liabilities”. In the Bush era a law was passed exempting any Pharma Industry from lawsuits due to vaccine produced harm because “it was for the good of the people that vaccines were MARKETED”. Google it

I take it you’re referring to the Biodefense and Pandemic Vaccine and Drug Development Act of 2006.

This is important for the very reasons I’ve stated before in my original comment. Making vaccines is a liability. Without these protections, pharmaceutical companies will not produce vaccines. The cost outweighs the profits. These companies are NOT REQUIRED to manufacture vaccines. And without them, people will die.

While I may not agree with some of the “gross negligence” language in the law, it does not imply that these companies will necessarily engage in that type of behavior. Again, you’ve used the correlation vs. causation logical fallacy.

Then the most ridiculous statement yet, saying thath Pharma does not profit from vaccines.

“It’s like a convenience store selling gasoline. They don’t make money on the gas. They make money when people go in and buy a bottle of water and a bag of chips”.

Simply may I state that proving by analogy can be done only by strict parallelism, not fantasy as you apply here. Get your facts don’t invent them.

I suppose you’ll want me to Google something. Well, here we are.

A quote from an article in the Washington Post reads…

Even under the best circumstances, vaccines have never been very attractive investments. The global market for them is about $6 billion a year, compared with $340 billion for drugs. Thirty years ago, more than a dozen companies made flu shots. Five years ago, the number was down to four.

There is your proof of what you call my “most ridiculous statement yet.” Alex Jones must have left that out of all his myriad documents on vaccines.

Then you accuse the sites of “hawking some DVD,or book”. Well for one, nothing wrong in making money (peanuts that is), Pharma does it too but hiding the facts many times (the three biggest billers in the world are Arms, Illegal Drugs and Pharma) . But really what is wrong with selling books and DVD’s? When I went to college I had to buy my text books. Do you expect them to supply thousands of books for everybody for free??

There IS something wrong with making money on misinformation. You might find these people on Google, but you won’t find them on PUbMed, an actual medical and scientific journal search engine. Their work has no scientific merit.

Also you are lying when you say that EVERY LINK I SUPPLIED SELLS THINGS. There is information you can get, scientific one at that, without buying anything. Just follow the threads.

While this may be partially true, prominently displayed on each page is a book or DVD the author is selling. I’m not lying. Ad hominem attack logical fallacy.

Contrary to your last two paragraphs I took your comment down because I felt you were misleading people, either through not having researched your points (as you never provide any bibliography)or because you may be lobbying for Pharma. You just make statementes of faith and no, there is no big red flag of emotion in my real DEBATE, as at least I supply leads for everybody to follow to support my remarks.

I think this is your most ridiculous statement yet. YOU FELT I was misleading people, so you took it upon yourself to censor me. How “Big Brother” of you. You’re behaving in the exact way you accuse “Big Pharma” and all the other “Big” agencies of behaving. That is hypocritical.

Who are you to say that I haven’t “researched my points?” And I really can’t believe you’d use the (another one???) logical fallacy of poisoning the well… by accusing me of “lobbying for Pharma.” It’s also an ad hominem attack. 2 logical fallacies for the price of 1.

I have 237 files on vaccine No No’s and lots of other links. I also have 554 files on Medical Corporatism. There is a big message there. And those are only the ones I stored. Tons more if you look.

On to another, completely new, logical fallacy; proof by verbosity. You seem to think that your arguments are true merely by the number of paper you can drum up with your opinion printed on them.

QUANTITY of information does not imply QUALITY of information. You can stack cow pies all day, but you won’t end up with a gold brick when you finish.

You don’t expect me to sift through hundreds of documents, countering every single wrong piece of information in each of those documents, do you? I haven’t that kind of time.

In conclusion, I’ve met your burden of proof. Facts to disprove what you’ve claimed. Now, please don’t delete my comment because you think I’m “misleading people.” It might lead me to believe that you’re affiliated with some lobby group.

Lets debate a little.

I took your comment down because it has logical reasoning flaws, and if you read what I say carefully you may understand that you have not provided any of the facts which I ask for to support your defense of the non use of mercury/aluminum or other toxic preservatives in the vaccines. If you do not see the reasoning flaws I suggest Logic 101 and 102 in college. Your style is what I call proving by denial. I have the facts and can supply them and if you google the key words and links you will find them too. My son in law did a complete study of the statistics of Polio vaccine vs Autism which if you read Spanish I could send, as it was written for Mexico.

Contrary to what you state, I do take my own advice and after having vaccinated my children and been rah rah for vaccines I opened my mind to thoughts contrary to my convictions and educated it. You have not done this yet. I try to apply that saying to myself first and then to others. Lately in Argentina Pharma sent Smallpox vaccines with sterilizing capabilities and in cahoots with some doctors applied them to lots of unsuspecting women. There is an ongoing investigation. Google “Poland and deaths and vaccines” and see what is going on. In Africa they have done a tremendous lawsuit because of experimental vaccines. Check what is happening with Guardasil.. Ask the veterans from Irak to tell you what illnesses they developed from forced vaccination… Google man, google… use key words including counterindications, side effects, toxicity etc use your imagination, look look look at the other side. Trust Pharma yeah!

Of course I cite the sites that prove my point, but not to get a pat on my back, and not even to PROVE my points, but to be able to transmit to you the thoughts contrary to your beliefs. And to others who may be more open to some facts. Then you and they can make up your minds as to if your criticism is fair and what you say holds. This is what debate is about. It is you who ranted without providing an ounce of evidence and said things which are not true, like “Thimerosal is not used”, avoiding the issue in depth which is what I ask in my first comment and here. Can you show us what is in the vaccines except for YOUR WORD implying they are totally safe WHICH WE MUST TAKE ON GOOD FAITH? At least I provide leads.

Again you are misinformed when you state that Pharma has “liabilities”. In the Bush era a law was passed exempting any Pharma Industry from lawsuits due to vaccine produced harm because “it was for the good of the people that vaccines were MARKETED”. Google it

Then the most ridiculous statement yet, saying thath Pharma does not profit from vaccines.

“It’s like a convenience store selling gasoline. They don’t make money on the gas. They make money when people go in and buy a bottle of water and a bag of chips”.

Simply may I state that proving by analogy can be done only by strict parallelism, not fantasy as you apply here. Get your facts don’t invent them.

Then you accuse the sites of “hawking some DVD,or book”. Well for one, nothing wrong in making money (peanuts that is), Pharma does it too but hiding the facts many times (the three biggest billers in the world are Arms, Illegal Drugs and Pharma) . But really what is wrong with selling books and DVD’s? When I went to college I had to buy my text books. Do you expect them to supply thousands of books for everybody for free?? Also you are lying when you say that EVERY LINK I SUPPLIED SELLS THINGS. There is information you can get, scientific one at that, without buying anything. Just follow the threads. I have tons of links which give info without even a penny asked and they plug for no one. Of course some do sell. Don’t buy just use the info. The series of 9 videos does not sell anything… have you spent the 10 minutes to see the first one? Did you pay a ticket for it?

Contrary to your last two paragraphs I took your comment down because I felt you were misleading people, either through not having researched your points (as you never provide any bibliography)or because you may be lobbying for Pharma. You just make statementes of faith and no, there is no big red flag of emotion in my real DEBATE, as at least I supply leads for everybody to follow to support my remarks.

I have 237 files on vaccine No No’s and lots of other links. I also have 554 files on Medical Corporatism. There is a big message there. And those are only the ones I stored. Tons more if you look.

Maybe if the webmaster approves I can zip it all and send them to him to relay to whoever wants to see them.

So much for this debate, unless you send FACTS TO DISPROVE what the links I and say.

No emotion.

Aristotle lives. and so does Hipocrates (“first do no harm”)

“Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.” – Benjamin Franklin

As Aristotle said: The sign of an educated mind is one which can entertain a thought contrary to its convictions.

This site offers a perspective that differs from the ‘main stream.’ Read, consider, and make your own informed decisions.

Apparently you should take some of your own advice. These quotes are taken directly from this page! Taking my comment down was an absolutely ignorant thing to do, even by your own standards. What? You can’t “entertain a thought contrary to” your own convictions? Is dissent only patriotic when it meets with your ideology?

Let’s face it. You’re just looking for people to pat you on the back and say “good job.” You’re not interested in honest debate, whatsoever. And it seems the people commenting on this site don’t have any interest in it, either.

The only sites that Aristotle Lives cites are sites that agree with his ideology. And what “money makers?” “Big Pharma” doesn’t make money on vaccines. Why do you think so few of them manufacture them? It’s a liability.

It’s like a convenience store selling gasoline. They don’t make money on the gas. They make money when people go in and buy a bottle of water and a bag of chips.

By the way, speaking of “money makers,” every site suggested by Aristotle Lives is hawking some DVD, book or some other gimmick. I think you need to open your eyes and see how you’re being taken advantage of.

The very idea that you took my comment down should tell you that you have an emotional attachment to this idea, and that reasoning from emotion is a big red flag. And if you refuse to approve this comment, it shows that you’re not at all interested in honest debate, but only parroting the same old things you hear on every anti-vaxxer website on the internet.

It’s you who isn’t thinking for yourself, not me.

Good work, keep it up. You were posted in whatreallyhappened.com.

SAKEr

The first sentences is obvious, but lets not slant the table. The study shows clearly that Thimerosal in vitro MAY cause the same damage in children because IT DID IT IN VITRO. Now we have established the fact that the stuff is pathologically dangerous. Now who ever PROVED THAT THE DAMAGE DOES NOT OCCUR IN HUMANS ? Tests run by the manufacturers of vaccines do not count as there is a conflict of interest. FDA has approved toxic medicine in the past many times. Check Robert Kennedy Jr. or Google the words Thimerosal Autism Vaccines and maybe you will be able to EXPLAIN WHY IT DOES NOT CAUSE IT.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/376.html Kennedy interview

Sitting on a “chair of ignorance” and saying I do not know. therefore it does not exist or does not happen, is not coincidental with the most elementary Aristotelian logic.

Now along the same line of reasoning can you ascertain that Thimerosal is not used in the World Anywhere? Recently the vaccines that were shown to us in Mexico had it. How about Botswana. Again you are making categorical propositions from the chair of ignorance. Show the proof that it is not used. Better yet show it has not been substituted by mercury/aluminum compounds not called Thimerosal. Worse yet, can you show that whatever is keeping the vaccine preserved is not toxic?

You say that this study can not claim that people should not have their children vaccinated. Again along the same line can you prove to anybody that the danger of getting crippling polio when not vaccinated is greater than getting Autism, considering that since vaccines are given the rate of Autism has increased more than 10 fold?

Can you prove studying epidemiological events for the past 100 years that the decrease from epidemiological diseases was due to vaccines instead of asepsia and better health due to general conditions and nutrition? Okay just for those interested here are a few links that talk about this and show data.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfOfXbfLiZ8&feature=related (firs of nine series)
http://www.marytocco.com
http://www.vaccinetruth.com
http://www.thinktwice.com
http://www.novaccines.com

As Aristotle said: The sign of an educated mind is one which can entertain a thought contrary to its convictions.

Unless you are hired to defend the vaccine-manufacturers-for-profit you will enjoy seeing “the thoughts contrary to your beliefs”.

Meanwhile lets say that the study did what it was intended to do: RAISE A VOICE OF ALARM without having to spend the resources that small institutions do not have to do a multimillion dollar study of double blind subjects to see who gets it and who does not.

People have a choice. Believe the money makers or educate yourself. Vaccines are quite less than any religion. Look at the series of the 9 videos

I believe you have a flaw in your reasoning Mr/s GodKillzYou

Aritotle still lives.