Comments on: Startling New Evidence That The Swine Flu Pandemic Is Man-Made http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/ Countering Propaganda Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:49:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Gordan Finch http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-55741 Gordan Finch Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:45:00 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-55741 The swine flue deaths and lack of vacinated population is leading to many deaths now in the UK. RE ...see my earlier comment, YOU ARE JUST THEIR SOURCE OF WEALTH: mmm The swine flue deaths and lack of vacinated population is leading to many deaths now in the UK. RE …see my earlier comment, YOU ARE JUST THEIR SOURCE OF WEALTH: mmm

]]> By: Gordan Finch http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-32674 Gordan Finch Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:35:58 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-32674 I say in reply, that the higher up the social ladder THEY get, the more corrupt and greedy THEY GET. Britain has just recieved new stocks of Flu vacine, this new vaccine also contains swine flu H1N1 as well. No-one in Britain is happy about this, and word is that no-one will have it, or wants it now, including those at severe risk with immune systems compromised. Now WERE the manufacturers or the Government AWARE, that the British are NOT stupid. Or did they also just KNOW no-one would use the vaccine. This leads to the question WILL a largely un-vaccinated population lead to the next PANDEMIC ???? for the HUGE CORPORATES AND GOVERNMENTS TO PROFIT. You have to work with, or among some of these people, the facilities, or Governments and organisztion to realize YOU are just the Sourse of THEIR WEALTH. DIG deeep in GOVERNMENT FILES they are mostly availiable. You just have to find them, and its made very difficult, BE VERY DETERMINED. YOU WILL BE SHOCKED: about the truth. I say in reply, that the higher up the social ladder THEY get, the more corrupt and greedy THEY GET.

Britain has just recieved new stocks of Flu vacine, this new vaccine also contains swine flu H1N1 as well. No-one in Britain is happy about this, and word is that no-one will have it, or wants it now, including those at severe risk with immune systems compromised.

Now WERE the manufacturers or the Government AWARE, that the British are NOT stupid. Or did they also just KNOW no-one would use the vaccine.

This leads to the question WILL a largely un-vaccinated population lead to the next PANDEMIC ???? for the HUGE CORPORATES AND GOVERNMENTS TO PROFIT.

You have to work with, or among some of these people, the facilities, or Governments and organisztion to realize YOU are just the Sourse of THEIR WEALTH.

DIG deeep in GOVERNMENT FILES they are mostly availiable. You just have to find them, and its made very difficult, BE VERY DETERMINED. YOU WILL BE SHOCKED: about the truth.

]]> By: Egoigwe http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-60902 Egoigwe Sun, 15 Aug 2010 19:40:38 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-60902 Well, in the end, hundreds of millions didn't die (the only ones who did, took that toxic vaccine) but the US govt and its co-travelers (the UK and most European govts) got stuck with mountain-high heaps of toxic vaccine, that had to be destroyed or thrown away, coupled to billions of dollars flushed down the drain that could have been put to much better use. I can't help wondering what Kamakaze must be thinking; he probably smiled and giggled all the way to the bank, seeing that he invested in Novartis shares. Events tell us that evil is all about and to be really vigilant in these times. From Novartis to BP, down Wall St. and through America's CIA and Israel's Mossad to the comfort of banks' lounges and pharmaceutical/military complexes, evil lurks, spreading its tentacles from Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Iran through the Middle East and Africa, all about, killing and maiming, completely encircling our world. I can't show enough appreciation to sites as this and others that keep the required awareness alive, drawing our focus to where it ought to be all these years. Just think about what they have gotten away with already. Well, in the end, hundreds of millions didn’t die (the only ones who did, took that toxic vaccine) but the US govt and its co-travelers (the UK and most European govts) got stuck with mountain-high heaps of toxic vaccine, that had to be destroyed or thrown away, coupled to billions of dollars flushed down the drain that could have been put to much better use.

I can’t help wondering what Kamakaze must be thinking; he probably smiled and giggled all the way to the bank, seeing that he invested in Novartis shares. Events tell us that evil is all about and to be really vigilant in these times. From Novartis to BP, down Wall St. and through America’s CIA and Israel’s Mossad to the comfort of banks’ lounges and pharmaceutical/military complexes, evil lurks, spreading its tentacles from Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Iran through the Middle East and Africa, all about, killing and maiming, completely encircling our world. I can’t show enough appreciation to sites as this and others that keep the required awareness alive, drawing our focus to where it ought to be all these years. Just think about what they have gotten away with already.

]]> By: Gordan Finch http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-60901 Gordan Finch Sun, 15 Aug 2010 00:30:17 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-60901 ONE GETS OLD ONE GET EXPERIENCE ONE GETS KNOWLEDGE. LOTS OF COMMENTS ARE FACT MOST WITH MONEY AND POWER ARE CORRUPT OR BECOME CORRUPT. THE HIGHER IN SOCIETY THEY ARE THE MORE CORRUPT THEY ARE, FACT. JUDGES SOLICITORS PRIME MINISTERS BARRISTERS MPS COUNCILLORS GOVERNMENT MINISTRIES COUNCILS MOST ARE CORRUPT FRAUDULENT MURDERERS OR JUST SIMPLY CROOKS, AND ITS THE MAJORITY NOT THE FEW. EXAMPLE CAN YOU SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD THREE TIMES WITH A RIFLE, SEVERAL DID IN ONE ARMY BARRACKS. MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH POLICE, GOVERNMENT, ITS OFFICIALS, THE AUTHORITIES- COURTS COUNCILS ETC ARE THAT MOST WILL COMMIT ANY CRIME FOR MONEY. LOOK AT THE EXAMPLE OF THE INSURER ZURICH INSURANCE. THIS ORGANISATION ZFS ZURICH FINANCIAL SERVICES. HAS DECIEVED THE ENTIRE WORLD: INTO BELIEVING THAT THEIR/YOUR INSURANCE QUOTE WAS FROM ANOTHER COMPANY. WHEN IN-FACT IT WAS FROM A SUBSIDAIRY WITH A DIFFERENT NAME. THEY OWN THOUSANDS OF COMPANIES ALL TRADING TO DECIEVE YOU. LOOK UP WHO OWNS AIG AMERICAN INSURANCE GROUP, THE LOGO AIG IS ON FOOTBALL SHIRTS. THIS IS THE SUBSIDAIRY OF ZFS ZURICH THE INSURER FINED BY THE COURTS £BILLIONS, THIS IS THE COMPANY THAT BUST THE WORLDS ECONOMY WITH ITS FRAUD BID RIGGING CORRUPTION CONSPIRING AND MUCH WORSE. THIS IS THE COMPANY THAT YOU ARE 90% ODDS INSURED WITH. TYPE INTO GOOGLE ETC AIG, FARMERS, BID RIGGING, FINED 1.2BILLION, AIGFP FRAUD ETC. THIS ORGANISATIONS OWNS MOST OF THE WELL KNOWN NAMES ON THE HIGH STREET AND THE LARGER BANKS. FORTUNATELY RBS LLOYDS ZFS AIG ALLIED DUNBAR AND THE MANY THOUSANDS OF COMPANIES IN THE ZURICH EMPIRE ARE ALL NOW MAJORITY OWNED BY THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT UNDER A LIMITED COMPANY OF CAUSE. JUST IN CASE THEY CANNOT PAY OFF THE EXTAORDINARY LOSSES, ZFS THE AIG SIDE IS OWNED BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. YOU OF CAUSE ARE NOT BEING MADE AWARE OF THIS BECAUSE YOU WILL CHANGE INSURER. AND DRAWOUT YOUR MONEY FROM THE BANKS WHO WERE BANCRUPTED BY ZURICH FINANCIAL SERVICES. AT TODAYS DATE THERE ARE MORE THAN 800 BANKS WHO ARE AT RISK OF INSOLVENCY AND YOUR MONEY IS PROPPING THEM UP. CHECK IT OUT, ASK WHY THE PRUDENTIAL INSURANCE COMPANY BACKED OUT OF BUYING ZURICH AIG,ARM AIA AND HAD TO PAY A PENALTY TO THE US GOVERNMENT HUNDREDS OF £MILLIONS. FACT. ONE GETS OLD ONE GET EXPERIENCE ONE GETS KNOWLEDGE.

LOTS OF COMMENTS ARE FACT

MOST WITH MONEY AND POWER ARE CORRUPT OR BECOME CORRUPT.

THE HIGHER IN SOCIETY THEY ARE THE MORE CORRUPT THEY ARE, FACT.

JUDGES SOLICITORS PRIME MINISTERS BARRISTERS MPS COUNCILLORS GOVERNMENT MINISTRIES COUNCILS MOST ARE CORRUPT FRAUDULENT MURDERERS OR JUST SIMPLY CROOKS, AND ITS THE MAJORITY NOT THE FEW.

EXAMPLE CAN YOU SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD THREE TIMES WITH A RIFLE, SEVERAL DID IN ONE ARMY BARRACKS.

MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH POLICE, GOVERNMENT, ITS OFFICIALS, THE AUTHORITIES- COURTS COUNCILS ETC ARE THAT MOST WILL COMMIT ANY CRIME FOR MONEY.

LOOK AT THE EXAMPLE OF THE INSURER ZURICH INSURANCE. THIS ORGANISATION ZFS ZURICH FINANCIAL SERVICES. HAS DECIEVED THE ENTIRE WORLD: INTO BELIEVING THAT THEIR/YOUR INSURANCE QUOTE WAS FROM ANOTHER COMPANY.

WHEN IN-FACT IT WAS FROM A SUBSIDAIRY WITH A DIFFERENT NAME. THEY OWN THOUSANDS OF COMPANIES ALL TRADING TO DECIEVE YOU. LOOK UP WHO OWNS AIG AMERICAN INSURANCE GROUP, THE LOGO AIG IS ON FOOTBALL SHIRTS.

THIS IS THE SUBSIDAIRY OF ZFS ZURICH THE INSURER FINED BY THE COURTS £BILLIONS, THIS IS THE COMPANY THAT BUST THE WORLDS ECONOMY WITH ITS FRAUD BID RIGGING CORRUPTION CONSPIRING AND MUCH WORSE.

THIS IS THE COMPANY THAT YOU ARE 90% ODDS INSURED WITH. TYPE INTO GOOGLE ETC AIG, FARMERS, BID RIGGING, FINED 1.2BILLION, AIGFP FRAUD ETC. THIS ORGANISATIONS OWNS MOST OF THE WELL KNOWN NAMES ON THE HIGH STREET AND THE LARGER BANKS.

FORTUNATELY RBS LLOYDS ZFS AIG ALLIED DUNBAR AND THE MANY THOUSANDS OF COMPANIES IN THE ZURICH EMPIRE ARE ALL NOW MAJORITY OWNED BY THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT UNDER A LIMITED COMPANY OF CAUSE. JUST IN CASE THEY CANNOT PAY OFF THE EXTAORDINARY LOSSES, ZFS THE AIG SIDE IS OWNED BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.

YOU OF CAUSE ARE NOT BEING MADE AWARE OF THIS BECAUSE YOU WILL CHANGE INSURER. AND DRAWOUT YOUR MONEY FROM THE BANKS WHO WERE BANCRUPTED BY ZURICH FINANCIAL SERVICES.

AT TODAYS DATE THERE ARE MORE THAN 800 BANKS WHO ARE AT RISK OF INSOLVENCY AND YOUR MONEY IS PROPPING THEM UP. CHECK IT OUT, ASK WHY THE PRUDENTIAL INSURANCE COMPANY BACKED OUT OF BUYING ZURICH AIG,ARM AIA
AND HAD TO PAY A PENALTY TO THE US GOVERNMENT HUNDREDS OF £MILLIONS. FACT.

]]> By: Caryl Jacobs Gabe http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25882 Caryl Jacobs Gabe Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:57:46 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25882 Wow this post has sparked a little hostility huh. While I don't put much stock in this article, I still do like to get all points of view that are floating around out here in cyberspace. Wow this post has sparked a little hostility huh. While I don’t put much stock in this article, I still do like to get all points of view that are floating around out here in cyberspace.

]]> By: Robert S. Finnegan http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25881 Robert S. Finnegan Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:34:22 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25881 The boy is a loon, Vito. Disregard his drivel. He is probably commenting from a computer in the playroom in a state hospital somewhere, one with bars on the windows. There is no debate here. Ott's article is right on the money. I have independent confirmation from a microbiologist working on it that this "novel" virus is man-made, H5N1/H1N1. We will be publishing an article written by her in the immediate future. Robert S. Finnegan rsfinnegan@gmail.com Jakarta, Indonesia The boy is a loon, Vito. Disregard his drivel. He is probably commenting from a computer in the playroom in a state hospital somewhere, one with bars on the windows.

There is no debate here. Ott’s article is right on the money. I have independent confirmation from a microbiologist working on it that this “novel” virus is man-made, H5N1/H1N1.

We will be publishing an article written by her in the immediate future.

Robert S. Finnegan
rsfinnegan@gmail.com
Jakarta, Indonesia

]]> By: Vito Positano http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25864 Vito Positano Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:43:29 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25864 My mom told me that Hitler rose to power, in part, by stacking the audience with his own people and then shouting down the committee. As committee members left, Hitler replaced them with his own from the audience, thereby controlling the debate and agenda. Kamikaze is attempting to achieve that by a similar method, by shouting down the debate. My mom told me that Hitler rose to power, in part, by stacking the audience with his own people and then shouting down the committee. As committee members left, Hitler replaced them with his own from the audience, thereby controlling the debate and agenda. Kamikaze is attempting to achieve that by a similar method, by shouting down the debate.

]]> By: truth http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25880 truth Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:53:21 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25880 it is simple. forget and ignore the rhetoric and long winded speeches. don't trust any man. . . revelation chptr 19 has come true: "pharmakea will deceive the whole world" it is simple.
forget and ignore the rhetoric and long winded speeches.
don’t trust any man.
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revelation chptr 19 has come true: “pharmakea will deceive the whole world”

]]> By: holmes http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25853 holmes Sun, 27 Sep 2009 02:56:02 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25853 go to the us patent office patent applications put in the number and drop your jaw as you read then google th2 response and ORS and read the british med journal article on th1 and th2 responses a real wow!!! technical but very informative!!!! do your homework....due diligence before you pollute your blood or your children's blood w ANYTHING!!!! go to the us patent office patent applications put in the number and drop your jaw as you read then google th2 response and ORS and read the british med journal article on th1 and th2 responses a real wow!!! technical but very informative!!!! do your homework….due diligence before you pollute your blood or your children’s blood w ANYTHING!!!!

]]> By: O'Malley http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25854 O'Malley Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:15:54 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25854 Karmakazie is KarmaKRAZY! Sounds like your garden variety atheist sputtering spammer-jammer. Karmakazie is KarmaKRAZY!

Sounds like your garden variety atheist sputtering spammer-jammer.

]]> By: matt http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25856 matt Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:45:01 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25856 @ karmakaze. your unbelievably long winded responses and posts do not offer sufficient space for rebuttal. by the time i got to the end of 15 or 20 posts in a row, i had so many items to rebut that i just gave up keeping track. just wanted other people who might read all of your mumbo jumbo to know that you don't have all of your facts straight. thanks for ken benjamin taking the time to rebut some of them. why would you attack this article with such venom and gas? i think that is a valid question? you seem to have very very easy access to all kinds of private information as well? ....hmmmmm, starting to look like a paid debunker to me. just take your shot like a good little lamb. ott is right, novartis needs to be investigated and held accountable regardless of the free pass they have been given by our corrupt and eugenicist government. @ karmakaze. your unbelievably long winded responses and posts do not offer sufficient space for rebuttal. by the time i got to the end of 15 or 20 posts in a row, i had so many items to rebut that i just gave up keeping track. just wanted other people who might read all of your mumbo jumbo to know that you don’t have all of your facts straight. thanks for ken benjamin taking the time to rebut some of them. why would you attack this article with such venom and gas? i think that is a valid question? you seem to have very very easy access to all kinds of private information as well? ….hmmmmm, starting to look like a paid debunker to me. just take your shot like a good little lamb. ott is right, novartis needs to be investigated and held accountable regardless of the free pass they have been given by our corrupt and eugenicist government.

]]> By: Black http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25857 Black Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:39:59 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25857 Lets be honest about this we have known for sometime that CULLING THE POPULATION WAS ON THE AGENDA - People waken up One world power, microchipping Humans - elimination of all Christianity - Take alook at the secret group that all presidents and leaders of the world join and only last week they met in secret - Evil wants full control and their servants among many are the FREEMASONS - GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY THEIR IS A GOD Lets be honest about this we have known for sometime that CULLING THE POPULATION WAS ON THE AGENDA – People waken up One world power, microchipping Humans – elimination of all Christianity – Take alook at the secret group that all presidents and leaders of the world join and only last week they met in secret – Evil wants full control and their servants among many are the FREEMASONS – GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY THEIR IS A GOD

]]> By: kitkurious http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25860 kitkurious Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:13:04 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25860 I can't believe the anger over this blog. Obviously, a lot of effort has gone into providing links and information about this. I thoroughly believe that the Government are a bunch of pricks who want to reduce the population, oh yes. It wouldn't surprise me that every single disease out there is made by these toxic drugs that pharmaceutical companies make and receive billions of pounds for. It's mad but they always get away with it. The people who don't believe the Government have not been manipulated by the media or Government in any way. It is we who speak the truth. The trouble is that the Government have done so much brain washing and terrifying people with this bullshit over the years that people really believe it. So regarding this post, let people believe what they want to believe. If you don't...don't try to find evidence against it. Freedom of choice. Ask yourself, why do no GP's know about orthomolecular therapy which can treat mental illness, because the Government has filed a conspiracy against it. They'll burn in hell! I can’t believe the anger over this blog. Obviously, a lot of effort has gone into providing links and information about this. I thoroughly believe that the Government are a bunch of pricks who want to reduce the population, oh yes. It wouldn’t surprise me that every single disease out there is made by these toxic drugs that pharmaceutical companies make and receive billions of pounds for. It’s mad but they always get away with it. The people who don’t believe the Government have not been manipulated by the media or Government in any way. It is we who speak the truth. The trouble is that the Government have done so much brain washing and terrifying people with this bullshit over the years that people really believe it.

So regarding this post, let people believe what they want to believe. If you don’t…don’t try to find evidence against it. Freedom of choice.

Ask yourself, why do no GP’s know about orthomolecular therapy which can treat mental illness, because the Government has filed a conspiracy against it. They’ll burn in hell!

]]> By: E H V http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25863 E H V Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:37:32 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25863 Karmakaze, it's your nap time now. Ease up on whatever it is you're taking. You have not proven anything, and merely asserting that someone is a retard (without backing it up with anything substantial) is reminiscent of elementary school playground talk. We're all adults here, so please try to be diplomatic. You are also very verbose for no reason--keep it clear and to the point. You are a weak Devil's Advocate until you stop name-calling and start backing up your ranting with facts. Karmakaze, it’s your nap time now. Ease up on whatever it is you’re taking. You have not proven anything, and merely asserting that someone is a retard (without backing it up with anything substantial) is reminiscent of elementary school playground talk. We’re all adults here, so please try to be diplomatic. You are also very verbose for no reason–keep it clear and to the point. You are a weak Devil’s Advocate until you stop name-calling and start backing up your ranting with facts.

]]> By: jeff l. http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25865 jeff l. Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:21:37 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25865 Conspiracy to commit high Treason: I strongly believe the Israel will attack Iran in the 1st half of October 2009. This will severely spike fuel prices and collapse the economy the rest of the way. I also believe that another faults flag terrorist attack in the same time frame, the next one being nuclear in nature. There is a web sight that claims the 11th of October 2009 for this event. They will claim this next attack will be home grown, blaming militias and right wing Christiania’s. This being the justification for martial law, suspension of the constitution, bill of rights and gun confiscation they will use the propaganda into brainwashing the people into asking to have the guns confiscated. This Martial law and suspension of the bill of rights has been planed for at least 35 years. I was told in high school in the 1970’s during time of martial law they can suspend the Bill of rights. I have read the constitution and there is not provision that provides for its suspension for any reason. Put the NW0 propaganda machine wants to brainwash the people to think that they can. What they are doing is nothing short of high treason. The LDS scripture “the Book of Mormon” warns of this in Ether 8:18-26. Conspiracy to commit high Treason:
I strongly believe the Israel will attack Iran in the 1st half of October 2009. This will severely spike fuel prices and collapse the economy the rest of the way. I also believe that another faults flag terrorist attack in the same time frame, the next one being nuclear in nature. There is a web sight that claims the 11th of October 2009 for this event. They will claim this next attack will be home grown, blaming militias and right wing Christiania’s. This being the justification for martial law, suspension of the constitution, bill of rights and gun confiscation they will use the propaganda into brainwashing the people into asking to have the guns confiscated. This Martial law and suspension of the bill of rights has been planed for at least 35 years. I was told in high school in the 1970’s during time of martial law they can suspend the Bill of rights. I have read the constitution and there is not provision that provides for its suspension for any reason. Put the NW0 propaganda machine wants to brainwash the people to think that they can. What they are doing is nothing short of high treason. The LDS scripture “the Book of Mormon” warns of this in Ether 8:18-26.

]]> By: Egoigwe http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25862 Egoigwe Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:29:11 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25862 Where did Kamakaze go? I was thoroughly enjoying myself AND getting educated, whereas I think he should tone down his language and choice of words, I do think there's a greater good he serves us all. I can understand his anger, even if not his outpourings but I think we can all ignore the messenger and deal with the message-let his outrage be the price we have to pay. Where did Kamakaze go? I was thoroughly enjoying myself AND getting educated, whereas I think he should tone down his language and choice of words, I do think there’s a greater good he serves us all. I can understand his anger, even if not his outpourings but I think we can all ignore the messenger and deal with the message-let his outrage be the price we have to pay.

]]> By: C. Guilford http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25861 C. Guilford Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:39:01 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25861 Vaccine trails for the swine flu started in Nashville, Vanderbilt Children's hospital less than a month ago. We had our first death of a child in Nashville on Monday. This child got sick on Friday and died on Monday. I look at pass behavior of our government in swine flu vaccine campaign and have learned not to totally trust. My family will not be getting the vaccine, nor do we get the yearly flu vaccine. Vaccine trails for the swine flu started in Nashville, Vanderbilt Children’s hospital less than a month ago. We had our first death of a child in Nashville on Monday. This child got sick on Friday and died on Monday. I look at pass behavior of our government in swine flu vaccine campaign and have learned not to totally trust. My family will not be getting the vaccine, nor do we get the yearly flu vaccine.

]]> By: unkLe_p http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25820 unkLe_p Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:38:29 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25820 Dear Kamikaze: I had a chance to read your answers to me yesterday, I was planning to answer them, but they have mysteriously disappeared. There was no profanity in them, so I can't see any reasonable explanation. I don't think I could control my emotions in a similar exchange, so I should have probably minded my own business. I too get banned from leftist websites for holding obnoxious opinions like all Jews should probably not be killed, etc so I feel you for real! My email is unklepsycho@gmail.com so if you want, we can insult each other in private :) Dear administer: Yesterday you had my sympathies, and Kamikazes language was not always polite, but editing the comments like this, you make yourself obsolete. Dear Kamikaze:
I had a chance to read your answers to me yesterday, I was planning to answer them, but they have mysteriously disappeared. There was no profanity in them, so I can’t see any reasonable explanation. I don’t think I could control my emotions in a similar exchange, so I should have probably minded my own business.
I too get banned from leftist websites for holding obnoxious opinions like all Jews should probably not be killed, etc so I feel you for real! My email is unklepsycho@gmail.com so if you want, we can insult each other in private :)

Dear administer:

Yesterday you had my sympathies, and Kamikazes language was not always polite, but editing the comments like this, you make yourself obsolete.

]]> By: Bonnie Ember http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25859 Bonnie Ember Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:12:27 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25859 Whether or not we can prove this about Novartis, Baxter, The WHO, & CDC, PLEASE, DO NOT TAKE THE VACCINE. We will be the next Africa with aids in another form, if we do. Regards Bonnie Whether or not we can prove this about Novartis, Baxter, The WHO, & CDC,

PLEASE, DO NOT TAKE THE VACCINE.

We will be the next Africa with aids in another form, if we do.

Regards

Bonnie

]]> By: Novice http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25858 Novice Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:33:15 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25858 Insurgent, Sorry, but your argument is logically flawed. Asserting that all Jews are at fault for the "problem" which currently pervades our global society is on par with saying that all americans neo-imperialist fascists. Projecting fault onto a single religious ideology just doesent make any sense. For example, consider the role that the "protestant work ethic" has purportedly played in the advancement of globalization (or global enslavement) during the last couple of centuries. Consider the similar role that confucianism has allegedly played in southeast asia. History has proven on numerous occasions that religious doctrines -- most of which possess a sound ethical core -- are perverted by the elites in order to advance their own personal agenda (oh yea, the catholic papacy is another great example). Long story short, the financial elites who possess a vast amount of resources yet still strive to acquire more are to blame, not the people. The sooner we come to grips with this truth, the sooner we will be able to prevail in this war which has been raging since the bith of our species. This post is not intended as an insult. Please give it your honest consideration. Thanks. Insurgent,

Sorry, but your argument is logically flawed. Asserting that all Jews are at fault for the “problem” which currently pervades our global society is on par with saying that all americans neo-imperialist fascists. Projecting fault onto a single religious ideology just doesent make any sense. For example, consider the role that the “protestant work ethic” has purportedly played in the advancement of globalization (or global enslavement) during the last couple of centuries. Consider the similar role that confucianism has allegedly played in southeast asia. History has proven on numerous occasions that religious doctrines — most of which possess a sound ethical core — are perverted by the elites in order to advance their own personal agenda (oh yea, the catholic papacy is another great example). Long story short, the financial elites who possess a vast amount of resources yet still strive to acquire more are to blame, not the people. The sooner we come to grips with this truth, the sooner we will be able to prevail in this war which has been raging since the bith of our species. This post is not intended as an insult. Please give it your honest consideration. Thanks.

]]> By: The Insurgent http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25855 The Insurgent Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:03:30 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25855 I agree and Is ee teh same signs of genocide made by man. However, i disagree with the author's comment on that ''Nazi'' scientists are behind the massmurder. This is non-sense. The plans of Nazi Germany were totally for German people. Unfortunately, Hitler was too humane, too Chrsitian to go deep down to the roots of the problem; namely world-jewry. It is teh zionbolsehviks and 99% jewish background with their 3000 years odl hatred agianst Christians. Just read their talmud and torah about what they want to do with the ''goy'' (non-jews) and you will understand that not Hitler, but the yids are behind all genocides. I agree and Is ee teh same signs of genocide made by man. However, i disagree with the author’s comment on that ”Nazi” scientists are behind the massmurder. This is non-sense. The plans of Nazi Germany were totally for German people. Unfortunately, Hitler was too humane, too Chrsitian to go deep down to the roots of the problem; namely world-jewry.
It is teh zionbolsehviks and 99% jewish background with their 3000 years odl hatred agianst Christians. Just read their talmud and torah about what they want to do with the ”goy” (non-jews) and you will understand that not Hitler, but the yids are behind all genocides.

]]> By: Novice http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25852 Novice Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:42:43 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25852 First and foremost, I'm not asserting that any of the following is fact. I have stumbled down the rabbit hole (internet...lol) and am struggling to find a sound factual basis for a story which will be published in a college newspaper. Any direction provided will be greatly appreciated. Thanks The virus at fault for the 2009 pandemic (i.e. Swine Influenza A H1N1 Triple Reassortant)is not novel as it first appeared in a farm boy in Nov of 2005, according to the cdc. The boy became sick with the aforementioned virus approx 2 to 3 weeks following an administered flu inoculation. The cdc suspects that the boy had contracted the virus via interactions with swine or poultry. However, no one else in his family became sick, including those who also interacted with the animals. Further, non of the animals tested were carriers of the the virus. Please fully consider the following references -- they contend that A H1N1 Triple Reassortant was in fact found, but "human subtypes H1, H3, and Asian avian H5" were not (im not a virologist, what does this mean?). CDC Ref: http://www.cdc.gov/EID/content/14/9/1470.htm#1 EID Art Ref: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=16836834&dopt=Abstract The reassortant triple virus did not appear in swine till 97/98 after interactions with humans (i.e. did not occur naturally in swine). Ref 1: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12034486&dopt=Abstract Ref 2: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10930664&dopt=Abstract Now for the important question: Can anyone produce factual references which back up the assertion that Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger was in fact employed by the U.S. Army Institute of Pathology during the mid 90s/early 00s in order to reverse engineer viruses? As a side note, I was able to find references asserting that a strain of H5N1 was found in Scotland in 1959. However, the first human case was discovered in 1997 (is the timing simply a coincidence?). Furthermore, Taubenberger allegedly completed his work in 2003 and published a paper "identifying that the 1918 killer virus was a triple reassortant novel virus containing genetic segments of Human, Swine, and Avian origin." (does anyone have a link to this alleged paper). Thanks for your time and consideration. First and foremost, I’m not asserting that any of the following is fact. I have stumbled down the rabbit hole (internet…lol) and am struggling to find a sound factual basis for a story which will be published in a college newspaper. Any direction provided will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

The virus at fault for the 2009 pandemic (i.e. Swine Influenza A H1N1 Triple Reassortant)is not novel as it first appeared in a farm boy in Nov of 2005, according to the cdc. The boy became sick with the aforementioned virus approx 2 to 3 weeks following an administered flu inoculation. The cdc suspects that the boy had contracted the virus via interactions with swine or poultry. However, no one else in his family became sick, including those who also interacted with the animals. Further, non of the animals tested were carriers of the the virus. Please fully consider the following references — they contend that A H1N1 Triple Reassortant was in fact found, but “human subtypes H1, H3, and Asian avian H5″ were not (im not a virologist, what does this mean?).

CDC Ref:
http://www.cdc.gov/EID/content/14/9/1470.htm#1

EID Art Ref:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=16836834&dopt=Abstract

The reassortant triple virus did not appear in swine till 97/98 after interactions with humans (i.e. did not occur naturally in swine).

Ref 1:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12034486&dopt=Abstract

Ref 2:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10930664&dopt=Abstract

Now for the important question:
Can anyone produce factual references which back up the assertion that Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger was in fact employed by the U.S. Army Institute of Pathology during the mid 90s/early 00s in order to reverse engineer viruses?

As a side note, I was able to find references asserting that a strain of H5N1 was found in Scotland in 1959. However, the first human case was discovered in 1997 (is the timing simply a coincidence?).

Furthermore, Taubenberger allegedly completed his work in 2003 and published a paper “identifying that the 1918 killer virus was a triple reassortant novel virus containing genetic segments of Human, Swine, and Avian origin.” (does anyone have a link to this alleged paper).

Thanks for your time and consideration.

]]> By: unkLe_p http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25851 unkLe_p Tue, 01 Sep 2009 04:30:28 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25851 I do agree with Kamikaze, that it is unlikely for this type of pandemic to sweep over the world, I certainly agree that he is needed here... but what I don't understand is why every time Kellogg is mentioned he starts talking about vaginas? I am not knowledgeable on flu's, but I do know a few things about immunity systems. Subjects were injected with flu, one group watched comedy, and one group watched Nazi documentaries (or something in that line), simply one's emotional state at the time of injection made a huge difference in catching the flu. I think silly things vitamins, nutrition, rest, and social perceptions correlate with health (and I'm arrogant enough to not provide 'proof' for that). Perhaps kellogg was a pervert, surely a religious freak, but I don't see how that should prevent interest in his other works, or products. I do agree with Kamikaze, that it is unlikely for this type of pandemic to sweep over the world, I certainly agree that he is needed here… but what I don’t understand is why every time Kellogg is mentioned he starts talking about vaginas?
I am not knowledgeable on flu’s, but I do know a few things about immunity systems. Subjects were injected with flu, one group watched comedy, and one group watched Nazi documentaries (or something in that line), simply one’s emotional state at the time of injection made a huge difference in catching the flu. I think silly things vitamins, nutrition, rest, and social perceptions correlate with health (and I’m arrogant enough to not provide ‘proof’ for that). Perhaps kellogg was a pervert, surely a religious freak, but I don’t see how that should prevent interest in his other works, or products.

]]> By: Ken Benjamin http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25850 Ken Benjamin Tue, 01 Sep 2009 03:22:25 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25850 Karmakaze, As I read thru your response I was struck with two very glaring points - (1) you provided not a single referenced published article disproving anything I've written or referenced, and, more importantly, (2) you had not even read (thoroughly) - due to time considerations - the links I've provided. These two points, along with some of the comments you've written, indicate to me that a continuing exchange would be a futile and frustrating endeavor for me. For those reasons I'm ending this exchange now. Thanks for what you've provided so far. Karmakaze,

As I read thru your response I was struck with two very glaring points – (1) you provided not a single referenced published article disproving anything I’ve written or referenced, and, more importantly, (2) you had not even read (thoroughly) – due to time considerations – the links I’ve provided. These two points, along with some of the comments you’ve written, indicate to me that a continuing exchange would be a futile and frustrating endeavor for me.

For those reasons I’m ending this exchange now. Thanks for what you’ve provided so far.

]]> By: unkLe_p http://dprogram.net/2009/08/27/startling-new-evidence-that-the-swine-flu-pandemic-is-man-made-2/#comment-25849 unkLe_p Tue, 01 Sep 2009 03:21:23 +0000 http://dprogram.net/?p=19366#comment-25849 When you read an article with the types of adjectives included here, you should know to watch out, quite often the emotional state of the writer is out in plain view. This reference applies to kamikaze as well, who correctly points to Ott's mistaken use to the word proof, and weak references. Ott has 'found' a pattern and 'filled' in the missing pieces, and Kamikaze is lashing out, because he found a few mistakes, and fill's in missing pieces equally by claiming everything Ott says is wrong (quite a strong statement in itself). Kamikaze is much more logical, but his emotional state is equally out in the open, and equally despicable. Conclusion: -Ott is weak on science and criminology, and his 'agenda' and emotional state are visible. Get back to work/ school. -Kamikaze pushes others hard for truth (good!), but is too emotional to avoid the same generalisations he attacks Ott for "This guy is a nut job and a liar, and you are a fool if you believe a word he says" - Kamikaze, your emotions are equally visible, and I think I could find at least one word worth believing in Ott's rant. Lying means saying things that are not true, at least Ott does it for an abstract semi compassionate, leftist hippie perspective, not like a rabid defender of conservatism, desperate to find one mistake to bring the whole house down. The closest match to your emotional state (that I've seen), are teachers at conservative Christian schools delighted to find one mistake in evolutionary research, 'proving' evolution is false. U both suck, but i'd rather stand for a goofy fake doctor with a compassionate cause then a simple hater any day When you read an article with the types of adjectives included here, you should know to watch out, quite often the emotional state of the writer is out in plain view. This reference applies to kamikaze as well, who correctly points to Ott’s mistaken use to the word proof, and weak references.
Ott has ‘found’ a pattern and ‘filled’ in the missing pieces, and Kamikaze is lashing out, because he found a few mistakes, and fill’s in missing pieces equally by claiming everything Ott says is wrong (quite a strong statement in itself). Kamikaze is much more logical, but his emotional state is equally out in the open, and equally despicable.

Conclusion:

-Ott is weak on science and criminology, and his ‘agenda’ and emotional state are visible. Get back to work/ school.

-Kamikaze pushes others hard for truth (good!), but is too emotional to avoid the same generalisations he attacks Ott for “This guy is a nut job and a liar, and you are a fool if you believe a word he says” – Kamikaze, your emotions are equally visible, and I think I could find at least one word worth believing in Ott’s rant. Lying means saying things that are not true, at least Ott does it for an abstract semi compassionate, leftist hippie perspective, not like a rabid defender of conservatism, desperate to find one mistake to bring the whole house down. The closest match to your emotional state (that I’ve seen), are teachers at conservative Christian schools delighted to find one mistake in evolutionary research, ‘proving’ evolution is false.

U both suck, but i’d rather stand for a goofy fake doctor with a compassionate cause then a simple hater any day

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